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2016 Presidential Election Postmortem

Salon’s Bill Curry and The Nation’s John Nichols join Ralph and David to sort out what the hell just happened this past election day.

“We have a lousy election system in this country.  We don’t count ballots well or quickly.   As the weeks go on.  As we count all the ballots, all the provisional ballots, all the slowly recounted and reconciled ballots, we’re going to find out that Hillary Clinton has won the popular vote by a wider margin, I believe, than any “loser” in a Presidential race in American history.  It could well get toward a million votes. And if that happens, we should recognize that in most of the countries in the world, Donald Trump wouldn’t be President.”   John Nichols:  columnist for The Nation magazine.

“The entire geriatric leadership of the Democratic Party in the House should have gone a long time ago.  And if there is even a bit of spine or self-respect to the House Democrats, they’ll finally do it.”  Bill Curry: columnist for Salon


John Nichols is the national affairs correspondent for “The Nation” magazine, Mr. Nichols is also contributing writer for “The Progressive” and “In These Times” and the associate editor of the “Capital Times,” the daily newspaper in Madison, Wisconsin.  With Robert McChesney, he has co-authored a number of books about the media and how to reform it.



Bill Curry  writes for Salon.  Mr. Curry was a White House counselor to President Clinton and a two-time Democratic nominee for governor of Connecticut.  He is at work on a book on President Obama and the politics of populism.


  1. Ardy Leenders says:

    I don’t want to depress you. However, the greatest example of democracy in the world just experienced a peaceful COUP de tat. As of today 11/15/2016, seven days after the election for the next president of the USA Trump received 60,540,896 popular votes and Hillary received 61,336,066 votes. Hillary won the popular vote by 795,170 votes, do the math. The vote of 538 people on the electoral college takes priority in this election, not the people. Why bother to vote! Hillary spent $624,000,000 and Trump spent $282,000,000 trying to brainwash 120,000,000 voters. My question is how much did Trump spend on BRIBING the members of the electoral college in the 12 pivotal states. Guess we’ll never know. Maybe we will… That’s why I believe Trump claimed there would be fraud if he lost because he and his henchmen figured they had it all secretly fixed. Republicans are like religious fanatics they will do ANYTHING to get elected. Including bribery. I don’t have any evidence to back up my claim yet. But, we shall see… This era will be remembered and known for the political corruption.

  2. sheryl Devenny says:

    How do i volunteer for Ralph Nader?

  3. robert dresdner says:

    I dont think its as complicated as some suggest. Trump won notwithstanding the popular vote and the alternative of Jill Stein due to 1) primarily nonvoters including minority apathy dropouts, 2) weak GOP primary competition, 3) weak Dem. competition including Sander’s drop out and 3) Trump convinced enough alienated whites, less than 25% of America, that he, a conservative outsider, will work for them.

  4. Sheryl Devenny says:

    i would like to volunteer for Ralph Nader, what do i have to do?