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Corporatism is Systemic Racism

Professor and MSNBC commentator, Michael Eric Dyson, joins Ralph to discuss racism, corporatism, cancel culture, and how best to take action against all three.

Michael Eric Dyson is a professor, a preacher, and a political commentator. He is a contributing editor at the New Republic, and the author of several books including Long Time Coming: Reckoning With Race in America.

The system is working exactly as it was designed to work. And it doesn’t work for those who are at the low end of the totem pole, so to speak, those who are most vulnerable to rebuff… The American imagination is suffused with unconscious biases toward– and sometimes conscious and explicit articulation of– the inherent inferiority of people who are outside the parameter of white.”

Professor Michael Eric Dyson, author of Long Time Coming: Reckoning with Race in America

“We’ve got to have a strong enough movement that leverages [a force and a power from the streets]. Because you know it will never be done out of the goodness of hearts or the clarity of vision, of even those who are in power who are sympathetic to those who are poor.”

Professor Michael Eric Dyson, author of Long Time Coming: Reckoning with Race in America


“Corporatism is systemic racism.”

Ralph Nader

“It’s all a matter of raising our expectation levels as to whether people are going to be supreme over corporations, or corporations are going to be supreme over people.”

Ralph Nader

Ralph Nader Radio Hour Ep 369 Transcript (Right click to download)


  1. NooN says:

    Wonderful IdeA for C0NfFRENCE:
    Dr BarbeR
    Jesse Jackson
    Andrew Yang
    Rev Sharpton
    Cornell West
    Trevor NoaH
    Chris Hedges
    Jimmy Dore
    Michael Moore
    Michelle 0bama
    The Real News

    Please elaborate on the Public Post 0ffice
    Bank that was closed in 1966. The Post Office
    Workers are not familiar, but say it sounds interesting. Is this how the Canadian’s have a Public Bank. Do they also have a Post
    0ffice Bank $?$

  2. Don Harris says:

    Well there’s an hour of my life I will never get back.

    Did you edit out the part where Dyson talked about how to best take action?

    Dyson seems to be one of those people that uses a lot of words and an attitude of imparting wisdom to actually say very little and counts on people being too afraid others will think they are not smart enough to see the emperor’s new clothes.

    That explains why he is on MSNBC, but this was far below your usual standards.

  3. stan moore says:

    Want to talk poverty? After “born again” Geo W, Bush initiated his “war on terrorism”, nearly half million people have been killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan alone. Another 21M have been displaced from Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and Syria. The war on terrorism now spans nearly 80 countries.* US has declared economic war of sanctions on the peoples of how many countries? And you expects anyone to believe Washington cares about poverty, whether at home or abroad?

    * Figures from the “Cost of War” Watson Institute, Brown University.

  4. Don Harris says:

    To clarify my previous comment on the lower standards on the Radio Hour- this could be a good thing.

    As I have been trying to get Ralph to provide an opinion on One Demand for over five years, Ralph said on Washington Journal (10-24-2018) that he would have me on the Radio Hour to discuss One Demand and Ralph seems to have changed his mind and decided One Demand does not meet the standards to be discussed on the Radio Hour I say Ralph it’s time to limbo- how low can you go?

    Ralph has said that politicians want our votes more than big money.

    As One Demand provides citizens the opportunity to work together across party lines on one common issue to demand small donor candidates and enforce that demand with their votes putting Ralph’s theory to the test it seems to me that One Demand in Ralph’s own words meets the standard to be discussed on the Radio Hour.

    If Ralph thinks One Demand is not worthy of discussion on the Radio Hour he should explain why.

    I cannot count on Ralph continuing to lower the standards until it is low enough to qualify One Demand to obtain Ralph’s opinion.

    Maybe Ralph could include me (and maybe some others like me with ideas that are not included in the public discourse) in his conference and I (we) could not only obtain Ralph’s opinion on One Demand and other ideas I(we) could get opinions from several others.

    This would be more productive than the usual suspects (like many of those listed in Noon’s comment) regurgitating the same strategies that have not been effective for the last few decades. (see every president and Congress since Reagan)

  5. H Lee Thompson says:

    I enjoyed the program airing here in Columbus, Ohio April 5, 2021. I like the idea of lobbying the Congressional Black Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus,
    and the Progressive Caucus. Also, do a virtual conference of individuals, organizations, economists, and attorneys.

  6. John Puma says:

    Suggestion participants for the proposed conference: economists Richard D. Wolff, Jack Rasmus & Michael Hudson.

  7. Afdal Shahanshah says:

    If your explanation of “systemic racism” somehow incorporates the impacts of one defunct economic system (slavery) but not another (capitalism), then you’re not serious about systemic analysis. Capitalism is the contemporary overarching system of inequality from which all others stem. Capitalism not only generates inequity by design, but that inequity is essential for keeping the system functioning and defending the capitalists’ interests. Racism and many other forms of divisive identarian politics are all just forms of the ancient creed of divide and rule. Just like the slave masters and the feudal lords before them, capitalists are only too happy to divide workers up into categories to more effectively exploit their labor and prevent workers from banding together to rise up against them. The Black Capitalism and the “opportunity” to start a business that Dyson seems to be advocating for has always been a utopian solution to racially-manifesting poverty that falls apart as soon as you realize that only a small fraction of the population can be the business owners. Capitalists make up ~1% of white capitalism and they would still make up 1% of black capitalism in a melanistically proportionate world, doing nothing to uplift the other 99%.

    That’s what “cancel culture”, the idea that mob justice should have the power to remove someone’s livelihood, is all about by the way. In spite of corporate public relations campaigns with pretenses of diversity behind them, cancel culture is really just another form of divide and rule politics designed to crack worker solidarity. You can observe an excellent case study in progress over the last several weeks in the software industry, where all the corporate interests have lined up together to call for the destruction of the Free Software Foundation board over evidence-free claims against the character of Richard Stallman, the founder of free software movement. It’s a who’s who list of corporate collaborators and those outright hostile to the concept of free software, all jumping at an opportunity to play judge and jurors of their enemies.

  8. I tune out whenever Ralph Nader talks about cancel culture. The corporate media is what amplifies it. If men are behaving in predatory ways towards women it needs to be exposed and shamed. Often the courts don’t treat matters like date rape and sexual harassment with sufficient care or concern so this is just another method of recourse.
    Cancel culture as it exists today is a Faux News talking point, so you’re not really helping social justice by piling in on it. As I’m sure you’re aware the left (including Ralph) has been cancelled by the corporate media for decades, but Faux News and America isn’t thinking about that when you join in on complaining about cancel culture.

    It’s particularly strange because the RNRH is all for shaming corporate criminals. Let’s leverage cancel culture and use it to help people like Steven Donziger (an excellent episode by the way), instead of just complaining about youngsters. Truth be told Baby Boomers have alot more wealth, influence, and time they could be using to advance justice than cash-strapped, low-paid, debt-saddled members of younger generations.

    I know this is a strange place to mention this but you might want to reach out to the 5-4 podcast on the supreme court. Their subject matter is right up your alley and they’re doing a wonderful job exposing how the Supreme Court is enabling the erosion of our rights and liberties (although they do use profane language). I’m not affiliated with them but I linked their website in my comment request.

    I disagree on the importance of cancel culture, but I respect the work y’all have done and continue to do.

    • Beto says:

      BS. cancel culture is left-wing censorship, just like during the Maoist cultural revolution.

  9. Bob Sarnoff says:

    Of course corporate cancel culture of anyone who seeks any independence of the boss, is right-wing censorship, just like during the Hitlerist fascist revolution.