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It’s Even Worse Than You Think

Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist, tax expert and Trumpologist extraordinaire, David Cay Johnston, talks to Ralph about his new best seller: “It’s Even Worse Than You Think: What The Trump Administration Is Doing To America.”

David Cay Johnston is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist and author of six books, including The Making of Donald Trump. Mr. Johnston’s reporting persuaded two presidents to change their tax policies and stopped tax dodges that Congress valued at more than $250 billion. He is also the founder and editor of DCReport, a nonprofit news service that reports what the President and Congress DO, not what they SAY.  And his latest book is entitled It’s Even Worse Than You Think: What The Trump Administration Is Doing To America.

“The founders anticipated that we might have presidents who were stupid, who were disloyal, who were corrupt, but they never though we’d get a con artist, who is a malignant narcissist. They never thought we’d get somebody, who based on the standards of the Army Field Manual should not hold a leadership position of any kind. He should be a buck private, not even a lieutenant.”


  1. Afdal says:

    Enough of this neo-McCarthyist xenophobic garbage, go get Bill Binney on your show already Ralph. And after that go get Bob Fitrakis. You wanna talk about election “interference”? You don’t need a foreign actor, the perpetrators who suppress the vote and who hack voting machines to commit election fraud are right here at home.

    NATO has orchestrated a massive military build up on the Russia border in the last several years and the Doomsday Clock has been the closest to midnight since the early ’80s. The madness needs to stop right now.

  2. Donald Klepack says:

    I agree with all that David Clay Johnston said but upset about things he did not say. Donald Trump became President because he ran against Hillary Clinton. Every impeachable offense mentioned by Johnson was also done by Hillary Clinton (Clinton Foundation). Attorney General of New York ignores all this. Should Hillary Clinton go to jail?

    • Rajiv Bais says:

      @Donald Klepack You are ignorant! You can’t impeach Hilary Clinton when she’s NEVER been the president! Plus, the Clinton Foundation made all its “mistakes” by having Bill do the dirty business when HE has been OUT OF OFFICE and Hillary was out of the public sector from 2013-2017.

      Also, when was she a tax cheat and money launderer? When did she use her Presidential office to spruce up HER own business under the Emoluments Clause?

  3. Jay Burch says:

    I wish you would talk about the dependant connection between the reale state market and immigration. Did the real estate market recover? Or does it depend on the wealthy from around the world buying American citizenship. Because it seems like property owners in both parties benifit from immigration. While any other citizen,new or old suffers and will suffer impossibly high rents in future. A very simple way to cure the chaos is change the law that a child born here becomes a citizen. Just change that law. And also don’t go back to find people to punish, just go forward where you cannot buy your way in and a baby won’t work either. Both poor and rich woman are using their wombs for profit. Desperate or not. No feminists have ever spoken out against this.

  4. Dale West says:

    Donald Trump appears to be the protege of SD Governor William Janklow.

    Prolific at filing defamation lawsuits against any negative criticism, bulletproof against political ethics scrutiny and an autocratic charismatic leadership style. This lead to S Dakota being a corporate welfare state that deregulated everything corporate with no corporate taxes and no public transparency. The low working poor wages plus regressive taxation structure that has evolved in SD feels like feudalism to me.

    America loves the “John Wayne” manifest destiny movie mythology of political leadership that flouts the rules and gets quick reckless “justice” at any price.

  5. Eric Brooks says:

    I deeply respect Ralph and love the show, but I am now finding myself absolutely outraged that your program is giving David Cay Johnston a platform for his ridiculous and dangerous McCarthyite fairy stories about Trump and Russia which have no basis is reality whatsoever. All of the work that Johnston has done to reveal all of the very real evils of Trump are placed in a clownish frame by this Russia nonsense, and made questionable (when they shouldn’t be).

    The last time this kind of hysterical demonization of Russia was permitted a platform was one of the most dangerous periods in US history, during which democracy was deeply undermined by HUAC and Joseph McCarthy.

    For a conclusive cavalcade of information showing how vacuous this Russia-gate narrative really is, go to the following google search of Consortium News, an unimpeachable news service created by Robert Parry, the journalist who broke the Iran-Contra scandal.

    Johnston should be boycotted from being allowed to appear on any program until he stops this dangerous nonsense.

    • John M. Morgan says:

      I agree with Eric Brooks.

      I have long admired Johnston for his reporting on financial fraud, but I am appalled that he, like so many liberals and progressives (and now Ralph!) has let his hatred of Trump cause him to embrace the dishonest and dangerous imperial deep state establishment’s determination to demonize Russia.

      Ralph, at the end of the later Chicken Shit Club program, seemed to embrace this Russia-gate madness in his rebuttal to a listener question. The new evidence Ralph cites is the indictment of 13 Russians, which is flimsier evidence than the Goldstone emails cited by Johnston, IMO.

      The Justice Dept. will never have to prosecute the 13, so they could say anything in the indictment that suited their public relations purposes. The most plausible explanation for the Russians behavior it appears to me is the one explained at Moon of Alabama:
      “Mueller Indictment – The ‘Russian Influence’ Is A Commercial Marketing Scheme”

      When the Soviet Union ended, our political establishment became triumphalist, convinced that they could rule and exploit the world (including Russia) unchallenged into the foreseeable future. They loved it when Russia was on its back and suffering under Yeltsin, now their hatred of Russia is their response to Russia rebuilding under Putin to the point where it is strong enough to stand in the way our nefarious agenda.

      The western establishment and media have been in propaganda mode about Russia ever since it was clear that Putin was cleaning up the mess and rebuilding an independent Russia. Everything most Americans think they know about Russia and Putin are a fantasy construct of the propaganda swamp we live in. Years ago independent journalist IF Stone said “All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for those countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out.”

      How much more dangerous is it when the “free” media joins the government in lying. Here is a good brief statement about what is at stakeL
      The Coming Wars to End All Wars

      Sharon Tennison is someone with solid basis for a contrary opinion of Putin:
      Understanding Russia, Un-Demonizing Putin

    • Rajiv Bais says:

      @Eric Brooks Donald Trump has the worst character to run for the presidency since Nixon. Why would you ever want a tax-cheating, consumer-cheating, six-time bankrupt, racist, and misogynist classist like Trump running your country and its budget when he has NEVER revealed his tax returns the way EVERY president-elect has since NIXON left office?

      I didn’t go to Harvard Business School, but when I went to business school at Loyola-Chicago #sisterjean we had to take a Human Resources elective! In that elective, we were taught how financing and money managing companies look over the credits of their candidates and weed out people with poor credit.

      Why? It’s because there’s precedent for poor credit employees of financing and money managing companies mismanaging the money of the companies’ clients or customers. Since he’s OUR public servant that is paid by OUR tax dollars, he should show that he is financially responsible before he handles OUR budget!

      He clearly isn’t and you’re too insensitive and extremely innumerate to care to know about what kind of damage “President Dump” will do. By the way, George W. Bush lost money in oil. How did our economy turn out after his horrific eight years in office?

  6. M says:

    Dear Ralph, could you please post transcripts? Thank you for all your work and insights.

  7. Stan Barnes says:

    and here’s where it starts – ~20 years ago, in another confusion of money above all with ethics (huh, what’s that??), or truth (naaah, it’s what we say it is, believe me), let alone honesty (creative imagination)….

  8. Glenn Velez says:

    I’m curious about Mr. Nader’s thoughts on the relationship between NAFTA and the increased migration of people to the US from Mexico. We hear politicians raising a hue and cry about stopping illegal Mexican immigrants (and immigrants from other Latin American countries) from crossing the US border, but not one word about past and present US government economic and foreign policy driving this migration. Thanks.

  9. Eric Thorkilsen says:

    Bizarre, PBS hides criminal conduct, helping elect Trump, then spends many news hours on lamenting
    What a weird little animal.

  10. Judy Haywood Gonzalez says:

    Hi Tío Ralph. It’s so great to be able to hear you on a podcast. Thanks to all who make this possible.

  11. robert dresdner says:

    Ralph should invite physicist Dr. James Hansen to discuss not the carbon tax [we’ve heard that ad nauseum], but Nuclear energy risks and options. Ralph is right that older nuclear plants, like Fukushima, can be dangerous for various reasons, but has Ralph looked into new designs, eg Thorium nuclear plants, which are much safer than the designs built 30+ years ago? Not only that, many countries are investing in such advanced nuclear because its a zero carbon energy base load source, unlike coal, oil , natural gas. Solar while growing rapidly is intermittent and still only provides ~1% currently.


    • neoconned says:

      Robert Dresdner

      I invite you to watch just how “safe” your Thorium reactor suggestion would be:

      Test: MET
      Time: 11:15, 15 April 1955 (PST)
      Location: Nevada Test Site (NTS), Frenchman Flats
      Test Height and Type: 400 Foot Tower Shot
      Yield: 22 kt

      MET stands either for “Military Effects Test” or “Military Effects Tower” (according to Frank Shelton). This was a LASL test of a composite U-233/plutonium bomb core (the first test by the U.S. to use U-233) in a Mk 7 HE assembly.
      Science & Technology
      Standard YouTube License

      India reportedly used U-233 to get their nuclear weapons program started.

      We don’t need your radioactive tea kettles.

  12. Adrienne says:

    Well, Donald Trump is a magician but also a Gemini. Which twin are you today Donald? His backbone is contortionist. He’s a great campaigner but not so good at steering the ship in a storm. You cannot please all the people all the time but he’s trying.

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