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Ralph welcomes Reverend Jim Wallis, the Leader of the Center on Faith and Justice at Georgetown University, who calls out Republicans on gun safety and identifies white churches as a threat to democracy. Plus, our resident constitutional scholar, Bruce Fein, speculates on why Trump and Pence have not been subpoenaed to appear before the January 6th committee.

Reverend Jim Wallis is a bestselling author, public theologian, and commentator on religion and public life, faith, and politics. Reverend Wallis is the Leader of the Center on Faith and Justice in the Georgetown University McCourt School of Public Policy, and he is the founder and ambassador of Sojourners.


We face, right now, a test of democracy, but also a test of faith. There is White Christian Nationalism. White Christian Nationalism is the principal obstacle to democracy, the principal threat.

Jim Wallis


When the contrast between corporate CEO salaries and the average workers’ went from 25 or 30-to-one, which is still the case in parts of Europe and Japan, to 500-to-one, I said theologically, religiously there is no justification for that. And that’s a sin. Corporate salaries of that level are a sin.

Jim Wallis


[A number of institutional leaders are] going to have a test of conscience, a test of faith… And I think it’s callout time. Calling out the sin.

Jim Wallis


We would have gun safety tomorrow were it not for Republicans. Republicans have blood on their hands. And we’ve got to say that again and again and again.

Jim Wallis

Bruce Fein is a Constitutional scholar and an expert on international law.  Mr. Fein was Associate Deputy Attorney General under Ronald Reagan and he is the author of Constitutional Peril: The Life and Death Struggle for Our Constitution and Democracy, and American Empire: Before the Fall.


Here we have the January 6th Committee involved in the greatest, most important investigation in the history of the United States… Because we have credible evidence that there was an attempt— open and notorious — to prevent the peaceful transfer of Presidential power for the first time in over two centuries. And this wasn’t just by false pretenses. This was by use of force and violence.

Bruce Fein


This wasn’t violence that erupted because there weren’t peaceful avenues of redress. The Trump people had brought over 50 lawsuits– lost all of them. They had the opportunity… to protest peacefully with signs or whatever in front of the Capitol. So this clearly was an attempt to basically abandon the rule of law.

Bruce Fein


Throughout history, over 2000 years, every major religion warns its adherents not to give too much power to the merchant class. Because the merchant class was singularly focused on money, on profits, and they would run roughshod on far more important humane values in their quest for gold.

Ralph Nader


Corporatism is systemic racism.

Ralph Nader



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  1. Donald Klepack says:

    Another great show with Bruce Fein’s on the Constitution and the January 6th congressional hearings. According to the Hill 58 percent of voters say Jan. 6 House committee is biased. The 2 Republicans on the committee, Rep. Adam Kinzinger (Ill.) and Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) are Trump critics. Pelosi could of chosen more moderate Republicans but chose not to. The Republican Congressman that were subpoenaed are Jim Jordan and Kevin McCarthy. They both did not tear up the subpoenas but wrote letters to Pelosi. The questions I would of asked Bruce Fein’s is to evaluate the letters and the constitutional power of this committee. I would of liked the entire group to discuss how this committee could of made these hearing more open and transparent so the American Voters would be better served.

  2. Richard Curtis, PhD says:

    I appreciate what Jim Wallis is saying, but it falls flat. Politics is about values. Left politics is about democratic values. So if progressive Christians want to be relevant they have to understand politics and become part of left wing struggles for justice. Religion is about politics, it is the values that define politics. The best example of this is the Liberation Theology movement in Latin America, 1950’s-1980’s.

    That said, the biggest problem is the liberal church (but not just churches, also mosques and synagogues) remains committed to theism. It therefore finds itself in a state of decline. The fanatics are naturally drawn to reactionary religion so religion bifurcates. Liberal religion, to stop its decline, let alone to grow, must accept atheism, must recognize that being religious is not the same as being a theist. If they continue to fail to do this they will simply become irrelevant due to those declining numbers.

    By the way, I am religious and an atheist, and I have a PhD in Theology.

  3. Nicholas Donofrio says:

    It’s interesting that at one point Ralph mentions how the reason Watergate went down in the manner it did is because we were looking at the same media. Iran-Contra, which was no less of a coverup and subversion of our democracy, happened less than 15 years later and didn’t result in anywhere near the same level of outrage against Reagan.
    I think social media does contribute to the current problems with creating some consequences for January 6th, but it seems like the roots of these partisan media spheres took root in the wake of Watergate to insulate the Republican party.
    Alot of the participants in the Trump administration, Watergate, and Iran-Contra continue to swirl around the Republican party with no accountability being exacted against them and we seem to have to deal with the results of their being able to get away with all of this. The Democrats are no angels, but the Republicans have been a threat to our society for quite some time.

  4. Wendy NooN says:

    I agree it would be VERY SUCCESSFUL if our CHURCH LEADERS would (a) Connect with their Community & (b) Connect with ALL THE OTHER CHURCH LEADERS in that CITY & COUNTY if that is not too large a REGION.

    What does everyone WANT. (Ministers make their WANT LIST)
    What does everyone NEED (Ministers make their NEED LIST)

    Like the Dollar, We need STABILITY. We need the Dollar based on STABILIITY in TRADE via EDUCATION.

  5. Don Harris says:

    Doesn’t organized religion have the same DNA as the corporations of being top down authoritarian organizations worrying more about their own survival and ability to make money ratter than the welfare of their flock or customers and how do you expect them to take on corporate power when they are so simpatico? was a great question.

    It is basically the same question I have been asking about the Deathocrats and Republikillers.

    Rev. Wallis was partially right about people only accepting their own facts, but many people only accept their own facts when it suits their own narrative. When their own facts suggest the possibility of another narrative they even ignore their own facts.

    A good example of this can be found in the comments from the episode last week with Bill McKibben where I explain again how you are ignoring your own facts/statements and how your facts/statements suggest you should be informing citizens about One Demand and working to get citizens to participate as well as the comments on many episodes over the last several years.

    Ralph has given advice on how someone like me can get people that could help like Ralph to address issues/ideas that I have tried to follow to get Ralph to address One Demand and it has not even worked on Ralph.

    Got any other advice on what to do when people ignore their own facts/statements when those facts/statements suggest another narrative to the one one the person making the statements is promoting?

    Preferably some kind of advice that would work on Ralph?

  6. Jim Brasile says:

    Good show regarding the January 6th hearings I refer to thos article by Chris Hedges.

  7. David Faubion says:

    I think that Steve’s question was on the right track I’m that the model of monotheistic religion is the top down hierarchy that is too close to our social structures. Arguably, the most successful religions, loosely so-called, is Buddhism an atheist credo the goal of which is liberation via a path of ethical behavior. This despite the occasional self immolation and masters whacking their students.

    Like Alan Ginsberg and the poet William Blake’s view of religion that as soon as you organize it you’ve killed it. Religion sans theology rocks because then it is more like the social science that the old Greeks conceived it to be.

    The word religion derived from the Green religion to unify bond together. Theology has the potential to disunity.

    Like Noam Chomsky noting how the modern pagan like fixation on the supernatural has limited our political evolution. But he lauds the bishops whose faith has them do social justice.