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Feb 21Edited

Ralph, great show!

So much to say ....

Re AI - don't have a problem with the name - in fact it makes clear that this technology is ARTIFICIAL, as opposed to REAL , intelligence - not sure why folks don't point this out more often .. artificial as in fake, as artificial flowers are not the same as real ones .... and which would you prefer to give or receive ...

Data Centers - indeed they are gobbling up everything - land, water, electricity and are rightly being opposed widely - but what about Chip Factories, or "fabs" as they are called, like the one Micron is building in Clay, NY - It is gobbling up as much land - destroying acres of forest and wetlands, to be replaced by asphalt and concrete - would use as much, if not more, electricity and water as any data center, and in addition requires millions of gallons/day of wastewater treatment for the toxic chemical stew produced in the manufacture of millions of microchips intended for AI in these data centers ..

I wish you could have touched upon this, because I don't see the level of opposition to these as to the Centers - Our Senators, Schumer and Gillibrand, our Governor, Hochul, who called this "the greatest thing since the Erie Canal" for NY (a multi-billion $$$ company given multiple tax breaks and incentives by the County (Onondaga), the State (NY) and the Fed'l Gov't via the Chips Act to build this monstrosity, being touted as a "job creator" and needed to "compete with China for AI dominance") were there, being photographed smiling at the groundbreaking the other day - behind them, a bulldozer - which promptly began to take down 400 acres of trees -

And, as you may well know, NY has backed down on its "Clean Energy" commitments, except that apparently nuclear is considered "clean" - as Hochul has said she wants to see 4 new nuke plants built, as well as continuing our old ones, to meet the growing energy demand in the State - much of this coming from stuff like these Chip Fabs ...

There is more to this Micron story - it started in earnest when a 92 y.o. woman, among others, were evicted from their homes, which were torn down, using the power of "eminent domain" possessed by the Onondaga County Industrial Agency - which is a whole other issue ...

Indeed, this is about multi-billion $$$ corporations - who, just like AI, have their tentacles in everything - and the destruction is not just in our ability to think as individuals, but of the very elements of the environment living things need to survive....

All things are connected - and i think, though you have done a great job of making connections, this is just the beginning ...

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SH's avatar

Why are you directing this at me?

Eric Brooks's avatar

Accident. Poor substack interface.

Kathlean J Keesler's avatar

Sending gratitude and love.

Laborism's avatar

I think it is important to recognize that when Ralph speaks about insatiable corporate greed, it means something more significant than a general desire for "more". We are at a point where the math of exponential compound interest has become world-driving. If the top 0.1% keep the same 7.3% annual increase in assets they’ve had since 1992, in 2055 they will have $200 trillion, or 11% more assets than all Americans have today. That means that they need to be opening up new and more rapacious channels of exploitation more and more rapidly to postpone the inevitable collapse of financier capitalism. AI, in its most abusive forms imaginable, is driven by that fact, just like the new militarism that destroys countries while financiers salivate about the twofer of being paid to rebuild what their profitable weapons are busily destroying (regarding the lives lost as a an OK cost because they don't have to bear any of that cost.) Until working people organize to replace financier capitalism with laborism those drivers will continue ever more relentlessly. The positive thought is that that switch would actually be pretty easy to do, IF people can wake up and talk to each other to look past the false issues and get their acts together like the people who organized the Nonpartisan League 100 years ago.

Adriana's avatar

The only way AI is destroying democracy is to the extent that it is another tool of capitalism.

There is no real democracy within capitalism. They diametrically opposed

Mark Achbar's avatar

Ralph, huge respect. I love this podcast and have been listening to it regularly here in Vancouver, BC, Canada. I feel well informed. I regret we weren't able to schedule an interview with you for my documentary The Corporation. We tried! You'd have made a substantial contribution to that film. It became the highest grossing Canadian theatrical feature documentary of all time. The Corporation won 26 international awards, with 10 Audience Choice Awards, including Sundance.

I note that your guests consistently sound clearer than you do as the host. Your audio quality is raspy, slightly distorted. You sound like you're calling in from a cheap flip phone. This bothered me so much I even sent to your P.O. Box an AKG Lyra USB condenser mic for podcasting to help with you audio quality. Did you receive it? If the mic hasn't been set up yet, maybe a tech-savvy friend could help. It's not complicated. Your listeners deserve quality sound on par with the quality of your analysis.

Steve Skrovan's avatar

Hi Mark, Steve Skrovan here. We met at Hot Docs in 2006. Big fan of The Corporation. Ralph's sound quality has been the bane of our existence since the beginning. Ralph is a famous Luddite. Still writes his books on a manual typewriter. We have tried to upgrade his technology numerous times. He's allergic to this kind of thing and holds a landline in his hand. Pre-pandemic, when he was in DC, we could get a headset for him in the office, but those days are long gone. They have the mic. Thank you for that. What they don't have is a computer to hook it to. We continue to work on it. Cross your fingers.

Don Harris's avatar

You once said that comments that are short and relevant are printed out and sent to Ralph each week. But we do not know if you decided the comments are short or relevant enough to be sent to Ralph so I do not know if Ralph has seen my comments and is ignoring me or if it is not Ralph ignoring me or you not sending my comments to Ralph. How about adding a third category next to the like/reply at the bottom of the comments to indicate if the comment was sent to Ralph so I would not be blaming Ralph for ignoring me if he is not responding because he is not seeing my comments.

MojoMan's avatar

Ralph, your insights on AI are of course spot on. Imagine, Goldman Sachs, for Chrissake now stating AI has added “0” to economic growth, as meager as it had been

Randy LeSage's avatar

As an artist and art teacher, I note the word 'artificial' (AI) in relation to the word, "Art". As Mr. Nader cites, Artificial Intelligence has been around a very long time. In making art today, I have seen the 'art world's' dominant exhibitions based primarily toward graphic-related and conceptual based art. "Responsive" art where the artist works directly from life, such as from still life, landscape and the figure/portrait, has become relegated to a secondary status. The 'open' response to working directly from life at the moment allows the artist to respond without as much preconception. The 'concept' or idea develops organically, uncertainly. I feel today that such art making (at one time revolutionary, now almost quaint) has actually become revolutionary again in counterbalance to the dominance of much 'artificially' arrived at preconception made Art.

As so often the case, another thoughtful show and discussion. Thank you!

Adriana's avatar

Heard it somewhere - AI: Almost Intelligent

I hadn't moved to the US when Jesse Jackson ran. I had never listened to the speeches in the Democratic conventions, I only listened to parts of them throughout out the years. It is not only that he was a great orator, he had the right message.

Over and over this country misses opportunities to be fairer and more equal. Same happened with Ralph, and Bernie, to an extent.

And the Democratic Party continues to not learn anything. At this point, it is a pathology.

Stephanie Kruthaupt's avatar

D.A.N.G.E.R

Digital Algorithms navigating gigantic energy resources

A new name for ai didn't come from me. This acronym did.

Eric Brooks's avatar

Your guest completely lost all credibility with me (and anyone else who actually knows the facts of Russia's role in Europe) when he made his ridiculous claims of Russia supposedly interfering with European elections via AI. That is simply absolute nonsense not backed up by actual facts on the ground. There are truly bad aspects of AI that must be addressed, but when you use two dimensional liberal fairytales like Russia-gate (which has been very soundly debunked) to pitch your position you lose anyone who is a serious student of global affairs.

I have become deeply disappointed in Public Citizen and I will no longer support it, because of its participation in nonsense such as these Russia hysterics.

MojoMan's avatar

Thank you Putin Loving Russian Shill. I will continue and will increase my contribution to Public Citizen

Eric Brooks's avatar

Dude.. Honestly.. The Russia-gate nonsense really has been debunked so absolutely that the only people who still believe in it are NPR/Rachel Maddow brainwashed mental robots. I have no great love for Putin or Russia, but I do have a love for the truth. And all of this Russia hysteria is simply not the truth.

There's a lot I could criticize about Russia, but because I am focused on the ending of the brutal global US empire (which has murdered over 20 million people in war since 1949) I was forced to look at the role that both Russia and China now play as crucial opponents of that empire - just as the USSR under an outright totalitarian Stalin (far worse than Putin) crucially opposed Nazl Germany. That dynamic forced me to look beyond the bs US propaganda about Russia and look at the actual truth, both bad and good.

Do yourself and the rest of the world a favor, get your arrogant head out of your behind, and go through that kind of learning process instead of believing what you are spoon-fed by western media.

First, read about the decade beginning with the foundational 2004 failed US attempt at a full coup in Ukraine (under US president George W Bush) known as the Orange Revolution. You can see the basics on this coup in an article from a Canadian journalist on his country's role in supporting that illegal coup "Revisiting our secret role in Ukraine’s 2004 Orange Revolution" at: https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/revisiting-our-secret-role-in-ukraines-2004-orange-revolution

Then read in depth about the second phase from 2009 to the US war begun in 2014, and then the war escalation in 2022 that forced Russia to respond, in my essay "Why Are *Both* Republicans & Democrats Lying About Russia?" at: https://ericbrooks.substack.com/p/why-are-both-republicans-and-democrats

don dunne's avatar

The problem is most people don't know what a I is ? I remember the days when you actually wrote the 1's and 0's and if they didn't work you had to make it right . So what's going on here ? It's like asking a question and not understanding who you should ask the question to or for what reason, and everyone always thinks they have the right answers. Most of the time it comes down to the battle of the buck , who gets what and for how much . The real people that write the real code can have it do what they want it to regardless of the big shots that think they know it all . Some day the real people that write the real code will put the big shot phoney know it all's in their place , and that time will not come soon enough for me . Real coders unite,,they will know where the real data base is and who gets it ,, when and where and for how much.lets just hope they give democracy a helping hand it sure needs it .

Good luck America have a great day my friends

Don Harris's avatar

A.I. is just the latest tool for the big money interests to solidify their stranglehold on the media and politicians. We can counter it with some H.I. (human intelligence) and some R.I. (real intelligence).

Ralph can help get this started by saying HI to organizing citizens that can not afford the big money blanket to control the media and politicians to sew together the scraps that they have into a nice quilt of power and beauty and asking himself and encouraging citizens to ask themselves RI doing enough to make this happen.

Ralph could be helping to lead citizens to opt out of voting for the big money politicians by demanding small donor candidates and enforcing that demand with our votes and a nice quilt made up of the small scraps of small donors starting now in 2026.

Ralph could also help lead citizens to create a nice quilt of a non-profit media conglomerate financed by selling shares for one hundred dollars each. These shares could only be owned by citizens and no one person could own more than ten shares. The shares could only be sold for one hundred dollars as the purpose of owning the shares is for ordinary citizens to control the media and not to make money off the value of the shares.

Just 6-7% of the 150 million voters investing in one share would total 1 billion dollars and could be just the tip of the iceberg.

Unlike A.I. corporate control of the media and politicians can be turned off by using our votes and money to eliminate the electricity of big money that fuels corporate control of the media and politicians.

I can tell myself that I am somebody because I have these ideas that I think could help citizens take control of media and politicians but it really doesn't do much good if people like Ralph do not recognize me as somebody by discussing these ideas with me.

It's been ten years and at least one hour of Ralph's time doesn't seem like too much to ask.

How about it, Ralph?

Mike Rube's avatar

I appreciate Civil Society finally pushing back on the corporatization of our government, our society, and globally. Though there are often times when Nader and liberal-ish folks have a hopelessly naive belief in Congress as a vehicle of change.

don dunne's avatar

A I wrote the following a I children's fireside bedtime story.

Once upon a time there was a ruler of a big powerful country... and he could become anything he wanted to be at anytime. He had people around him that could and would do his will when ever he wanted them too. They were called lackies.

So one day he became a snake.

And the lackies didn't know what to do, because as a snake he crawled anywhere where he wanted and he could fire or dismiss anybody body with one quick bite. ( Children being fired is you lose your job and you might become a bum and nobody in government with a job wanted to be a bum or be forced to out into the real world and get a real job, and yes children there are dedicated government workers that do hard jobs) And so all his lackies were so scared but they could do nothing. Other rulers of other countries thought and thought about what to do with the big snake and his lackies. They were preplexed! Children preplexed means,,, I don't know,,, what should we do ?

They learned that the snake never listened to anyone, sure there were his lackies that talked to him but he never really ever listened to them, they would give him important notes to read but he couldn't and wouldn't read them, one time he was trying to read something about Tariffs and you could tell he was pretty clueless about what he was saying and everyone in the room became embarrassed,, who is this guy ? Is he really our leader?

But the snake was very good at lying and gassing along if the snake heard something that he liked he would do it because this is what a big snake will do with a small brain but it didn't always work out very well, he would do stupid things like call darked skinned human people apes, and try and take over other people's countries and try to claim a peace prize that was never offered, he even put the people's big beautiful military aircraft carriers in harms way, when other countries and his top military officers said only a moron would do that , meanwhile all his lackies stood by and said nothing. You see children there are a lot of small lackies with big brains and they all think they are smart. Remember children as you grow up you will meet a lot of people like that, they are called intellectuals, and some are even found in our best colleges and universities and some even go by the names of liberals and maga conservatives and when they all get together the lackies, intellectuals, liberals, and maga conservatives try to talk a snake there can be some real problems, and even big problems for rulers of other countries.

So how does this story end children?

Just imagine one day you may see a big snake skin hanging on a wall and the lackies, and intellectuals, and liberals, and maga conservatives go there to fart and take a big dump and they all remember how important it was to talk to the big snake with the small brain ,, but the door accidently became locked and they had to stay and sit there for 1000 years ,

Good luck America have a great day my friends

Don't fear the truth!'s avatar

The Murder of an OpenAI Top Engineer and the True Dangers of Artificial Intelligence:

On November 22, 2024, 26-year-old former OpenAI engineer Suchir Balaji was brutally murdered in his San Francisco apartment.

Authorities ruled his death a suicide.

Suchir Balaji was a brilliant American IT engineer of Indian descent.

At the age of 22, he was hired by OpenAI as a top talent and played a key role in the development of ChatGPT.

In addition to his exceptional intelligence, he possessed a strong sense of justice and unwavering ethical principles.

It is therefore not surprising that he disagreed with the behavior of his boss, Sam Altman, and OpenAI's business practices. He developed an increasingly critical attitude toward management and his boss.

Sam Altman is notorious within the company for his lies and power plays. Suchir Balaji had absolutely no understanding for this and was ultimately quite disgusted by his behavior.

He also witnessed OpenAI's transformation from a non-profit, open-source project into a for-profit, closed-source company.

It's important to understand that the development of ChatGPT was only possible by feeding and training the AI ​​with gigantic amounts of data, including vast quantities of copyrighted material.

OpenAI was only able to use this data free of charge and without the permission of the copyright holders because the company presented itself as a non-profit project.

The use of copyrighted material is considered permissible if it is a research project that does not generate profits and serves the public good.

In retrospect, it is clear that OpenAI deliberately exploited this situation. The billions in profits the company now generates are largely due to OpenAI's free access to this data during its non-profit phase.

For Suchir Balaji, this practice was completely unacceptable.

Suchir left the company in the summer of 2024, having made crucial contributions to the development of ChatGPT during his four years there.

In the months leading up to his violent death, he was preparing to launch his own startup and wrote a scientific paper on the future of large language models (LLMs) like ChatGPT.

In this work, which unfortunately remained unfinished, he refuted the so-called scaling hypothesis, championed by OpenAI and most other AI companies.

This hypothesis states that the intelligence of AI models can be developed indefinitely as long as they are fed enough data. It forms the basis for the grandiose promises of AI companies.

The achievement of a level of artificial general intelligence (AGI) has been announced for years.

AI models are supposedly about to develop superhuman intelligence (ASI = Artificial Super Intelligence), replace all kinds of jobs, cure diseases, create wealth for everyone, and so on.

In his unfinished essay, Suchir Balaji demonstrated in an impressive yet easily understandable way that, contrary to the claims of AI companies, large language models can never reach the level of human-like intelligence (AGI = Artificial General Intelligence).

He predicted that the fundamentally limited, abysmal data efficiency of this technology will inevitably slow down the further development of AI models and bring them to a standstill long before AGI is achieved.

This is an inconvenient truth for the AI ​​industry, which it is trying to conceal to protect its business model.

Suchir Balaji was also slated to testify as a key witness in a lawsuit against OpenAI, which involved, among other things, massive copyright infringements.

In the months leading up to his death, Suchir was in good spirits and looking forward to launching his own AI company.

On November 22, 2024, he had just returned from a short vacation with his closest friends.

According to the investigation by a private investigator hired by Suchir's parents, Suchir had ordered food that evening, listened to music, and worked on his laptop. According to the investigator's reconstruction, he ...

Read the full article for free on Substack:

https://open.substack.com/pub/truthwillhealyoulea/p/the-murder-of-an-openai-top-engineer?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=4a0c9v

Amy Harlib's avatar

WAKE THE F*CK UP! TOTAL SLAVERY IS UPON US!!

IT'S THE OMNIWAR! They can stick their f*cking damned AI, Wearables, Chips, CBDC/NO CASH, NANO, Digital IDs, and Jabs up their asses where the sun don't shine!

HELL NO TO GENESIS MISSION/STARGATE/DEEPSEEK! HELL NO TO AI! technocracy.news

Life everywhere is being assaulted by THE TECHNOCRATIC OMNIWAR! RESIST! DO NOT CONSENT TO ALL THINGS DIGITAL, 'SMART', AI, 5G, NO CASH - ALL OF IT! dhughes.substack.com Technocrat ruling class psychos get a sadistic thrill from their powers over life and death and hurting all who stand in their way and they need the resources worldwide to build their digital total slavery control grids (herd survivors into 15 minute city digital prisons)!

AI is designed to be anti-human/anti-life programmed by technocrat control freak psychos - garbage in = garbage out. Everyone got along just fine without all these absurd and downright satanic electronic gadgets that did not exist until recently. NOBODY NEEDS THIS AI CRAP!

CREATIVITY! ARTISTRY! IMAGINATION! SPIRITUALITY! HUMOR! LOVING KINDNESS! These are all BEAUTIFUL, the best ways to fight THEM!

I also have a landline, a wired laptop and a wired monitor screen, and I never had or will have those infernal mobile devices designed to enslave you. I also use cash as much as possible, no cash is TOTAL SLAVERY.

How to fight back against this TOTAL SLAVERY!

RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! DITCH THE DAMNED 'SMART' PHONES AND THE DAMNED QR CODES AND GO BACK TO LANDLINES OR FLIP PHONES AND USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! INSIST ON CASH! CBDC IS TOTAL SLAVERY!

It is heartbreaking to witness the holocausts happening and so many fellow citizens are brainwashed/bamboozled by the propaganda media, they are oblivious!

MISTAKES WERE NOT MADE! THEY can't get rid of the 'useless eaters' fast enough!

Peddling pure poison! Folks have to wake up to reality: health comes from organic diet, daily exercise and clean living and never from a needle or a pill except in dire, rare traumatic injuries.

It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back! And toxic injections/pills were/are a huge part of their arsenal!

This horrifying Congress Critters, Gates, Governor 'Gruesome Newscum', 'Lone Scum', Soros, 'Benedict' Biden and Harris and even Trump, Vance, and 'Ramaswampy' et al are blatant fully owned and operated puppets of their globalist technocrat parasite masters same as other numerous 'PUBLIC SERPENTS' infesting by design from above, the bureaucratic apparatus.

Can't say this often enough! The Military/Industrial Complex and the Biowarfare/industrial Complex, WEF agenda and the evils assaulting humanity are from one and the same source - it is the 99% against the diabolical GREED of the 0.01% who should not be in charge of anything!

The monsters in human skin suits who rule the world get a sadistic vampiric thrill and boost from perpetrating the vilest most demonic crimes against the most vulnerable (babies and small children) and then corrupting the system to get away with it scot free! We the People must stop them, there are a lot more of us than them!

Please check out this substack! ponerology.substack.com

JAB INJURIES: GROSS CALAMARI BLOOD CLOTS/AUTISM TSUNAMI/SADS/TURBO CANCER/BIZARRE TERMINAL ILLNESSES: More tragic victims of the ruling parasite genocidal enslavement agenda, sacrificed on the altar of psychopathic greed and hatred of humanity.

And BIG pHARMa is an arsenal making permanently sickly addicted slaves dependent on their products - the complete opposite of actual health.

Can't say this often enough!

SCREW THE HYPOCHONDRIA GERMAPHOBIC FEAR HYSTERIA! DO NOT CONSENT! Avian flu is for the birds! RESIST!

KEEP FIGHTING! All the perps who pushed this greatest crime against humanity, all the way down to the local level, must get their comeuppances!

Proudly ANTI-VAXX! Reiterating for the sake of newbies and to support this post.

Ban all vaccine jabs! There has never been a 'safe and effective' vaccine since Edward Jenner's fraud over 200 years ago as per 'Dissolving Illusions' by Suzanne Humphries and 'Turtles All the Way Down' by Anonymous. Health can never come from a needle or pills, but from healthy eating, healthy exercise and healthy living! virustruth.net

Divide and rule! Agents provocateurs anyone, FALSE FLAGS, propaganda social engineering psyops? Keeping us proles at each others' throats while the globalist technocrat predators laugh all the way to the BIS and The Bank of Rothschild's!

BURN BACK BETTER!

PSYCHOPATHS! MEGALOMANIACS!

Bless and thank you for doing what you do.