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Donald Klepack's avatar

Thanks Ralph for having these 2 wonderful advocates for Social Studies. This is a wonderful show. This is where I learned about your courageous fight for car safety back the day.

Selina Sweet's avatar

I had to take physics and chemistry in high school. While we didn't use it to study dirty water which sounds excellent, it did cultivate in me a life long mindset alert to chemicals and the experimentation process. In makeup, lipstick, baby food, Coca Cola, suntan lotion ...and pills of all sorts....chicken feed...the list is endless...So I'm glad to have "had" to take science.

Adriana's avatar

I wasn't educated in this country and in my school I had social studies since grade 6. The teachers were also history teachers, my favorite subject, and my best teachers. Even though most of my education happened during a dictatorship, the teachers were able to teach by making us think, which made me critical of the things I would listen on the radio, and was able to see exactly what was going on in the country.

The second part of the show had a moment of "let down". Ms. Gibbs talking about the parents that were devastated when their children become "retarded" because of the mercury, and had to wear diapers. Please, call me the word police but that term is not really acceptable among disabled people who fought to see the end of its use. Also, nobody wants to see a child lose skills and not reach the full potential, but the focus on the "tragedy" is misplaced. those kids need services and love, and acceptance. I say this because there are many people who grow up disabled, need diapers all their lives, need to be fed, cannot do what society believes it is the "normal" course of a person's lives, and have never been exposed to chemicals. They are people, they deserve more service, less shame. So do their families. Unless, of course, you believe in RFK,Jr who says that there are chemicals in our vaccines that "cause autism" and that autistic people will never play or work (which is just another BS coming out of his mouth)

Nancy Camargo's avatar

In my view, we need to do scientific research to determine what is and what is not healthy for our people, and we need to be transparent about the results of our research, whatever they may be, so everyday people can ask questions, get the accurate information needed to protect themselves and their families, and obtain any needed treatment.

Unfortunately, due to the corruption in politics and the profits in corporate deception, the health of our people is being seriously undermined. This means that the information sources that you and I would like to be able to rely upon may not be trustworthy. I am very troubled by this.

Mercury is used as a preservative in vaccinations. Some people may not want to put mercury into their bodies or those of their children. Maybe they believe that mercury might be a cause autism. Maybe they wonder what a heavy metal is doing in their vaccination. Maybe they recall that lead is also a heavy metal, and that there is no safe level of lead in the human body.

For whatever reason, if you do not want to expose yourself or your family to mercury in vaccinations, then request your vaccine without preservatives. The vaccine will be held in the refrigerator to preserve it in individual vaccine vials without mercury. I have chosen to do this. My health plan records whether or not the vaccine given to me contained mercury. This has given me the peace of mind to continue to get my 'flu shots.

Adriana's avatar

Thimerosal has been taken out of vaccines a long time ago. It remains in the flu vaccine. The study concerning autism has been done in the best way possible several time, for decades. There is no evidence that vaccines cause autism.

RFK, Jr say those things because he has an agenda, and the anti-science statement n the CDC website is absurd, since there is no way to prove a negative.

I have been among autistic people for decades. I live with one. I have lived in a house full of them. I married one too. the person I live with needs a lot of support. So what? We will all need support some time. But what they don't say is this: if vaccines cause autism, and autistic people are not monolithic, they come in various shapes and forms - they can pass for non-autistic, they can work but have other issues they hide, they can be totally happy - you know, like any other human being - when an autistic person becomes a rocket scientist, is this a bad thing? Or an actor, a doctor, or any other "productive" person in this capitalistic and eugenicist society? Because I personally know one autistic rocket scientist - literally! - and at least one who was a head banger as a child, went to a "special school" then worked in the federal government. If the vaccines "caused" their autism, shouldn't we have MORE vaccines?

To be clear, I don't think that a profession, or the ridiculous IQ measure is an indication of human value. I am just applying their distorted logic. We don't need this debate. We need transparencey, as you said, and we need services for those who need. More than anything, we need humanity

Richard Bartholomew's avatar

For a proposal that eliminates gerrymandering for the presidential election see: https://www.electoralcollege.org/ec-er.html#proposal

Selina Sweet's avatar

Richard Bartholomew - I hope you keep spreading this seed where'ere you go. I will too. Thanks for it.

Nancy Camargo's avatar

I do not see any links there. Can you give us a link to the actual proposal?

I have heard about a proposal that now has almost the required number of states signed on for adoption. The proposal is for Presidential elections, and I think the only federal Gerrymandering that occurs is in Congressional Districts, so this may be a different proposal.

I heard that each state is committing all of its electors to the candidate who wins the majority of the popular vote in that state, so that no uncommitted or special delegates would be entitled to vote. All electors would need to vote as the majority of the people in the state voted. The main result is to effectively do away with the electoral college.

I'd be interested in more facts.

Sharon Abreu's avatar

I appreciate learning about the National Council for the Social Studies. I'm focused on an element of our country's history that I would love to be addressed in our Social Studies, and would love to be in touch with Ms. Stratman and Dr. Ellsworth about it.

WomenWarriors's avatar

What Ralph said. ✔

Nancy Camargo's avatar

The inspiration of a good teacher can change lives, and props can help. I remember one thing that inspired me tremendously in school. It was a movie of living cells in black and white and shades of gray. I was entranced and transfixed. They were alive, and moving, and streaming. I was watching living energy. I never forgot it. Everything I have valued since then has turned out to embody that amazing quality of streaming life in process. It was as if that experience left an indelible imprint left on me that has moved my life that direction. That teacher had the amazing thought that kids might get something from watching such a movie, and he was right.

Patrick Chine's avatar

Social science--especially "critical thinking"--should not be taught to students as far as forming the students interpretation of civics until high school.

As a PhD Social Scientist, I am alarmed by the indoctrination that is going on. I endured no such manipulations and I am much better for it.

Nancy Camargo's avatar

You make such an interesting comment, especially coming from a professional in the field. I see that you do not oppose teaching "critical thinking" after the child has reached a more mature high-school age and can discriminate better.

However, you do not explain how "critical thinking" is actually "manipulative indoctrination." That's quite a reversal. Do you have some examples from your experience?