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Eugenics/Wuhan Lab Leak?/Donzinger Update
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Eugenics/Wuhan Lab Leak?/Donzinger Update

Andrew Kimbrell, director of the International Center for Technology Assessment, joins us to talk about his documentary “A Dangerous Idea: Eugenics, Genetics and the American Dream,” and to give us an update on the Wuhan Lab leak theory. Plus, Ralph welcomes legendary civil rights attorney, Martin Garbus, to update us on new developments in the case of corporate prisoner, Steven Donzinger.


Andrew Kimbrell is an internationally recognized public interest attorney, public speaker, and author. A leading proponent of regenerative forms of agriculture and organic policies, he is the executive director of the International Center for Technology Assessment. He is also the executive producer, co-writer, and featured in the documentary “A Dangerous Idea: Eugenics, Genetics, and the American Dream.” 

“We didn’t just want to say this theory [eugenics] is politically abhorrent, morally abhorrent. We wanted to say that it is scientifically completely unjustified. There is no science that says genes determine any complex human behavior traits at all.”

Andrew Kimbrell, C0-Executive producer of the film “A Dangerous Idea: Eugenics, Genetics, and the American Dream.”

“Biological determinism says, ‘Public policy will never work. It’s because some people are basically inferior.’ And it’s based in this idea that difference equals deficiency, instead of difference equals diversity which equals strength.”

Andrew Kimbrell, C0-Executive producer of the film “A Dangerous Idea: Eugenics, Genetics, and the American Dream.”

“[Eugenics is] a way of explaining inequality despite the idea of equality that’s supposed to be at the core of the country.”

Andrew Kimbrell, C0-Executive producer of the film “A Dangerous Idea: Eugenics, Genetics, and the American Dream.”

“We now know that’s it’s somewhere in the range of possible, probable, and for some scientists a near certainty that this (the Wuhan Lab] is where it (Covid-19] came from.”

Andrew Kimbrell: executive director of the International Center for Technology Assessment

“It doesn’t make any difference if we finally get what happened (lab leak or wet market). That can deflect us from the critical work we need to do to ban this type of ‘gain of function’ research.”

Andrew Kimbrell: executive director of the International Center for Technology Assessment


Martin Garbus is an attorney who is expert at every level of civil and criminal trial, and litigation. He has appeared before the United States Supreme Court in leading First Amendment cases and is the author of Tough Talk: How I Fought for Writers, Comics, Bigots, and the American Way. He is on the legal team representing Steven Donziger, who has been under house arrest for over two years and now faces six months in jail after a judge found him in contempt for not turning over evidence to Chevron.

“At one point, (Judge) Kaplan asks Donziger to turn over his computer files. And the computer files have all of the private privileged, confidential information between Steve (Donziger) and his clients and Steve and his lawyers. Steve refuses to do it.”

Martin Garbus, representing human rights lawyer Steven Donziger

“It’s an extraordinary case. It’s a cross between Kafka and Gilbert and Sullivan.”

Martin Garbus, representing human rights lawyer Steven Donziger

“It’s unheard of! (Judge Kaplan) hires a corporate law firm with tax dollars because he doesn’t like the prosecutor’s denial of his desire to prosecute Steve Donziger? This is incredible! This is like countries overseas that we have bad names for!”

Ralph Nader

To donate to the Steve Donziger Defense Fund, go to donzigerdefense.com


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