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Kelley Lane's avatar

Yes, Democrats stalled & didn’t vote on War Powers resolution on Fri Feb 27. They wanted it to happen. Democrats are just posers. Agree 100% with Corbin about being more critical of Dems. They are in lockstep with Republicans on so many issues, especially war.

So glad Ralph mentioned No Kings! I named http://NoPeasants.org as a riff off of Indivisible’s latest astroturf operation. People don’t know or remember that Indivisible created a pledge that all Dem candidates for Pres had to sign (separate from the DNC pledge) that said they agree to back the eventual nominee, the pro war pro corporate establishment anointed nominee after they lose. That’s like saying I’ll back Mitt Romney after I lose this rigged game. No. No more.

Kelley Lane's avatar

NO, we don’t “need to back the Democrat nominee” who is every single time pro-war, pro-corporate, anti-citizen as much as any Republican-I dare you, prove me wrong.NO we DO NOT “have to at least be Dem” any more than we would…,,vote for Mitt Romney.

Herein lies the problem: you for some reason still believe there is a difference between D & R.

Why are you held hostage by a party with the same exact policies as Republicans? Make it make sense. Name ONE Dem candidate or elected Representative who is “progressive.” Please define what “progressive” means & how you have voted to elect anyone who has implemented or even fought for unsuccessfully, anything “progressive”

No one is ever going to elect a progressive by trying harder to beat Democrats at a rigged game.

It has been very well documented that Democrats have rigged their own primaries. Are you familiar with the DNC Fraud lawsuit? Election Justice USA’s extensive report in 2016?

You expect “progressive” candidates to run in a rigged/skewed game & then turn around & be sheep herded into backing that rigged game? I don’t think so.

AND you, if you voted for Democrats, you voted for GENOCIDE

Hell NO. Not me.

Cynthia Shallit's avatar

No, Indivisible is saying we need to agree to back the Democratic nominee if we can't get our progressive in the general election. Third parties don't win, we have to at least be Dem. And, by saying that, we get more people to agree to try harder in the PRIMARIES to get our progressive in the final runoff, but in the end don't let it go Red.

Darlene Falzarano's avatar

Yikes!!! This is more than absurd. I have no respect for the war movement, now or ever!!!

Darlene Falzarano's avatar

I didn't write this post and the one I sent this morning in the dworkin report didn't get posted, there's some weird shit going on with my posts. I'll get back to you soon

Darlene Falzarano's avatar

Okay, straightened this out with my service, it's called predicted text in settings. Fuck, I just don't like technology, or am impatient with it

Nancy's avatar

Thank you for this information and for the link below. It has helped me identify some of the sources about my uneasiness regarding No Kings. Part of it comes from working with people in my own community who are committed to the marches but display little interest in issues that are priorities for me — the ongoing genocide in Gaza and now the war on Iran and Lebanon. These are mostly the old DLC (Clinton, Obama) Democrats I think. Their only proposal for change is to get Democrats elected. And they’re not advocating any involvement in the primaries to help candidates who are renouncing Israel lobby money and are offering something other than neoliberalism.

Kelley Lane's avatar

Exactly. I apologize for the anger that comes through when I address anyone repeating Dem talking points but after 10 years of it & after hearing people attempt to sell Democrats who funded a genocide as some kind of lesser evil I am just beyond fed up with it. I push back hard & without hesitation on these narratives that, if believed, keep the neoliberal/neocon apparatus in power. The “guillotine pendulum” between D & R as my friend @SamHusseini said, continues through every election. This person may not knowingly be repeating this stuff. They subscribe to Heather Cox Richardson who is one of the worst! Promoting Gavin Newsom who is toxic, a hypocrite who effectively killed the Independent redistricting commission in CA & who banned paper ballots! https://abcnews.com/Politics/bill-limiting-ballot-hand-counting-california-law-county/story?id=103741610

These Democrats are NOT better. They are there to keep the masses voting against their own interests!

NO Democrat is ever going to go against their own party even if a “progressive” Dem manages to get elected. The only Dem currently elected who is sort of doing this is Ro Khanna when & only when he is following in Rep Massie’s footsteps, with the Epstein Files & the war powers resolution. Khanna has a history of toeing the line for the Dem establishment, however, & people should keep their eyes on him.

Cynthia also follows Robert Reich who worked in the Clinton administration. I used to listen to him, too. But ultimately these people serve as sheep herders for the Democrat establishment. Thom Hartman, Rachel Maddow? Come on! They are all there to serve as mouthpieces for the Democrat establishment, to herd people back under the Democrats’ tent. That is what we must RESIST

Nancy's avatar

Particularly dislike Maddow, who in more than two years of a genocide did not once utter the word, “Gaza.” To make sure I hadn’t missed something, I researched it and my suspicion was confirmed. She had been criticized by others for her silence. I was accused on Reich’s site of being a Trump supporter for simply raising the issue of Gaza. He draws establishment Democrats. They don’t get that they will lose by being so narrowly focused. But things are changing so perhaps it’s best not to confine our discussions to the already committed. Nonetheless, it’s still important for me to hear it. Thank you. I am disheartened by the outcome of the Illinois primaries yesterday.

Darlene Falzarano's avatar

Straight up Miss Kelly, glad to hear some sane analysis on WTF is going on with the Democrats. Just read through the transcript from Nader's interview with Corbin Trent. Really didn't understand how disconnected from each other these progressive voices are in Congress, what an eye opener!!

dg biz's avatar

Can the team please improve the audio quality of Ralph’s call-in?

It sounds like an old telephone line - but other people are on higher bandwidth easier to understand channels.

If that “old-timey sound” choice is on purpose maybe reconsider. Even whatsapp or facetime audio would be better, and more likely to attract younger listeners.

Ralph and team’s content and guests are WONDERFUL as always

Steve Skrovan's avatar

Trust me, it's the bane of our existence. Ralph is a famous Luddite. We can't get him on a computer of any kind. Sorry about that.

Evolution's Child's avatar

Ralph seems sensible af.

mary kostanski's avatar

Did he call in to Jessica’s show on a rotary phone?

Darlene Falzarano's avatar

I downloaded the transcript and read it, I hope this helps

Selina Sweet's avatar

The citizenry is unaware of specific progressive policies so are left with a sour disposition that "knows" they and their preferences don't make a difference. There is no on-going in your face achievement record on specific policies in everyday language of each State's representatives (House and Senate). Citizens awareness about their Reps/Senators' efforts and non-efforts is foggy. Their awareness of the democratic leaderships' effectiveness propelling the citizens' interest is just as if not more foggy. Awareness is reduced to a blur and leaves us disgruntled, resentful, and feeling unsupported. Institute to great fanfare: The Report Card. Each Democratic member is graded Weak(o)-Mediocre(2)-Strong (6)for hir efforts to pass progressive (defined as working class interests) and retrogressive (defined as corporate favored) legislation. Publish report card each month.

I sure would appreciate knowing how the vacuous and insipid Schumer and Jeffries keep their leadership positions. It's a mystery to me. They function at best as semi-malevolent ghosts. Especially where "do nothing" is an act of malevolent for boosting working class interests and strengthening democracy. "AI" says Pelosi, Hoyer and Clyburn boosted him into position. Clyburn who burned Bernie's candidacy. The other two relics not known for their passionate progressive instincts - since hoisting their own power meant more to them than the workers.

Cloud Monger's avatar

75 + years of American Television Broadcasting, centered on ‘entertainment’ has acculturated us onto a soft, comfortable, dispositional platform.

Eastern Bloc television tended toward the didactic, or pedantic; viewers were less apt to spend the long hours mesmerized by the Bundys Americans have been.

Czechs and Germans made time to be on the streets and organized, in 1989.

Our acculturation created a National Temperament that has led to debilitated spirit, debilitated righteousness.

SlowitDown's avatar

the uniparty - sucking up to the donor class - should be tried for sedition

robert's avatar

Democratic methods are the wish here, but its unrealistic. Democracy can work only in a small situation like a town meeting -- and the Founders understood that. See, Const., Art. I, Sec. 2 : “The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand”.

American states and large cities are too large to admit the small voices of a democratic process [aside from elections].

America is a very big country that is readily captured, dominated and commandeered by big money.

That fact probably made the travesty of Citizens United inevitable, but as soon as it arose big money easily controlled politicians, controlled society and controlled federal and state governments long ago.

Its not because only big money has the resources ready to deal with big problems, often at the expense of public welfare and the environment. Its because of the nature of money itself.

Selina Sweet's avatar

Wet blanket, regressive and status quo analysis. ....big money has resources to deal with big problems.....what? More like big money has resources (which we awarded them) to suck out the marrow of citizens, surveil us, dictate unfair labor practices, disinform us, crush protest against genocide, war making and decent environmental/climate policies, disempower thro privatization public education, quash student loan forgiveness, hold us hostage to unhealthcare for profit, corporate profiting off prisons....the list goes on. Rule by oligarchs (the Epstein class) = disaster capitalism. Do you really want to work or want your family and neighbors to work where your "pee/piss" time is limited to 5"? As it is in big business Amazon? Is that your vision for your kids?

robert's avatar

whats your point?

Lew A (Lincoln) Welge's avatar

Vote for Independent candidates like me, for one thing.

robert's avatar

I voted for Jill Stein in 2024. She had a smart, responsible policy agenda and if Congress would have certainly blocked her all the way, at least I’m pretty sure she would never launched unprovoked attacks on how many countries, killing how many people, deporting or jailing 400,000 people in the States without Due Process with a terrorist thug force.

Nancy's avatar

Please stop advancing the notion that Citizens United was the decision responsible for big money controlling our politics. That decision was instead the 1976 decision, Buckley v. Valeo, which equated money with speech. Buckley, not Citizens United, enabled billionaires to buy elections. It still does. Citizens United extended the reasoning in Buckley to corporations. Of course that’s a problem, too, but it would not exist without Buckley. Citizens United is invoked by fundraising organizations to raise funds. That’s all it’s been used for, because overturning it would be impossible without also overturning Buckley. And overturning it would not prevent billionaires from buying elections

robert's avatar

Buckley and Citizens arose on very different facts and law. Citizens was not on the limited statutory grounds of Buckley, and by extending 1st A guarantees to associations and corporations Citizens was much more destructive and far reaching decision, Your Honor.

britanniaboudica's avatar

That is their job

The Duopoly functions by Republican gains and Democrats letting them

Capitalism does not have FDR to save it this time

TomL's avatar

Trump may be unpopular but he crushes all other major opposition:

That's because the putrid, rotting Democratic old guard leadership is liked by next to no one. There must be literal mold growing all over the members of the DNC leadership.

And why? Because who the f%^k knows what they stand for? Honest to God, I have no idea myself.

It's a miracle they actually get a single vote except that for non-Republicans they have nowhere else to go. Republicans have full-throated battle cries; Democrats have fizzles. They should change their party name to the Fizzlecrats. Not exactly the most inspiring reason to vote for them.

https://imgur.com/a/WSPF9F1

Howie Lisnoff's avatar

Corbin Trent gives a great presentation about a way, or ways, out of the political disaster that has taken over the US. My take, after a lifetime, until 2016, of working for Democrats at different levels of government is that the Democratic Party is beyond hope and saving. Ralph Nader saw that simply putting his hat in the ring in 2000 for president placed him in the status of a pariah among Democrats. Imagine, one of the most storied progressive candidates, and someone who has achieved much for ordinary people, placed in that status tells a great deal about how constricted the duopoly is today.

Like Ralph Nader, I come from a politically engaged family. My mother was the co-chair of two presidential campaigns in 1968 and 1972 (at a state level). A person learns much from that kind of education, but the Democratic Party had already been on a slide following World War II in terms of its obesisance to both corporate interests and the juggernaut for war and war spending.

Ralph Nader refuses to give up hope, but candidates like Bernie Sanders, who won’t respond to him, and others in the Democratic Party, are locked into this political, economic, and social system that creates endless wars and gross levels of income inequality, especially among people who the system considers spurious or not worthy of humane concern.

I wish I could maintain the level of hopefulness that Ralph Nader has, but I not longer work for, or vote for, Democrats.

Nancy's avatar

I’ve reached pretty much the same point after traveling a similar journey. I voted for Biden in 2020 and got a genocide. I couldn’t vote for genocide again in 2024 (after having done my best to help the party change course on the issue), and voted “uncommitted.” I’m no longer interested in helping the Democratic Party save itself when it appears that’s all it’s interested in doing — saving itself and not its constituents or the country. I am hopeful about some of the genuinely progressive candidates running in primaries, including those supported by Justice Democrats. That’s worth the fight, in my opinion, and I have been working for some of them. If the party in collaboration with the Israel lobby takes them down, I’m out.

Kelley Lane's avatar

I opened “No Peasants” candidate panel Thursday with clip of Ralph talking about Unstoppable. Independents Karen Ortiz & Nadia Milleron were our guests.

Cynthia Shallit's avatar

I was a little shocked when you and Corbin made some reall dissmissive comments about the NO KINGS rallies. You seemed to think they weren't worth much if they just say "No Kings". I think you may be really missing what a wonderful miracle of resistance is occurring. Do you know how difficult it is to get 10 million people out in the streets! And they are saying a lot more. If you go and listen to those people they are saying everything YOU say-- Kill the Billionaires, tax the Billionaires, Stop Big Corporations, Single Payer, Boycott Tesla, Spotify, Target, Put the corrupt Trumpers in jail, Impeach, Stop ICE, Stop Big Oil, Let cities take over PG&E. All those things. And the bottomline, like Indivisible says (and you might find their weekly "What's the Plan" podcast interesting), is we are building up muscle, buildng up local organizational capacity to go for maybe a General Strike.

Joseph H Ladarski's avatar

Corbin Trent is a genius. He's terrific. It's the plague of neo-liberalism.

Sharon Abreu's avatar

Please tell Corbin Trent: The term is not "pro-life", it's "anti-abortion". If progressives can't use the correct, accurate terminology, we're making our work even harder.

ChetDude's avatar

Alas, I tried to go to BrandNewCongress.org to send them my suggestion for organizing a People's Lobby as a work around since "electing" a majority of Progressives is obviously impossible...but the website can't be reached...

People's Lobby

The suggestion is to create a 501(c)4 non-profit that can use tax-deductible funds raised to recruit, train, house and pay a living wage and decent benefits for teams of 2-5 constituents from each state and Congressional district to work 4 hour shifts to constantly lobby their “representatives”. The idea is to get enough office holders to turn campaign rhetoric that implies that they care about most American's best interests while running for office into the minimum of 279 votes necessary to pass legislation in Congress.

These People's Lobbyists will act as a constant presence to peacefully, non-violently but relentlessly educate their Congresspersons in the halls, offices and committee hearing rooms of the Capitol Building during every hour they are physically present.

After a few victories at the Federal level it will also be possible to organize People's Lobbies at state and local levels using paid staff and volunteers to assert lobbying pressure on their state and local “representatives” to do the People's Business. These local People's Lobbyists can also provide the amazingly small number of votes that are needed to insure that most office holders who refuse to carry out the People's Business will lose their re-election bids during their next primary.

This Movement of Movements should begin by choosing the most important, VERY popular legislation pass in Congress and get it signed into law. The People's Agenda of wildly popular proposals would serve as a good starting point for organizing and blueprint for our initial set of demands.

Startup cost: An average of $27 per person from about 1 million decent human beings.

Https://Peoples-Lobby.org

TomL's avatar
Mar 15Edited

From a progressive friend on the Democrats and the possibility of real leadership, who was wiped out financially due to health issues his insurance did not cover and is now dealing with other issues, prostate, etc..

"The only way they're going to get any of that is if they purge the party of the Schumers, Jeffries's, Fettermans, AOC's and Bernie Sanders too, the last two being total left-wing phonies who endorsed Hillary, Biden and Harris and dragged the party and country down to hell.

"Oh, and especially the Clintons and the Obamas - the worst of the Democrats.

"I've seen these puny attempts by some Democrats to turn the party progressive over the last 25 years. They were all crushed and assimilated by the DNC status quo Borgs.

"I'm not going to hold my breath.

"The Democrats are like the NY Jets, i.e., every now and then they start doing well and give their fans the worst thing possible: hope. Guess what happens next."

Poll after poll shows that 89% of the Democratic base opposes the war and only 7% approve of it. And even THAT won't get them off their asses. Incredible.

Only conclusion: the Democrats don't ever fight for their base. Period.

https://youtu.be/Vm6O1gBk6T8

Some of the mistakes the Democrats have made is their "litmus tests" where if a politician does not support certain things they get rejected out of hand. The GOP supporters have their litmus tests such as abortion, transgender and the like, they will not vote for anyone who does not offer a black/white clarity on these. I've been a follower of the health movement for years, believing that strict dietary and health lifestyles are the right thing to do, even with all the "cons" that have come down the pike and "magic bullets". The covid era turned a lot of leftists off to the medical establishment and the censorship that developed within the government. Many high IQ heavily credentialled doctors were targetted and ostracized for their questioning of the AMA and big Pharma protocols. Everyone knows the medical system is broken with all types of perverse incentives. The mrna technologies are not safe.

Lew A (Lincoln) Welge's avatar

They’re zionist CONNEDtrolled

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